My Discoveries – Page 2

Making Hard Decisions – What Matthew 1 teaches us about mental health

Published on October 2024 by DaveLeave a comment

What’s the hardest decision you’ve every had to make?

Matthew 1 gives us a good starting point for discussing uncertainty and making good choices, because Joseph had a really hard decision to make.

Mary is not his wife but he is committed to marrying her, and she is pregnant.

Matthew 1:18-25 describes Joseph’s emotional and psychological struggle when he learns about this. He initially plans to quietly call off the marriage to avoid her being publicly shamed. His response to this difficult decision is initially to avoid dealing with the situation.

An angel, however, appears to Joseph and gives him clarity and direction. This demonstrates how receiving guidance or support can help reduce anxiety and uncertainty.

When decision-making under stress, we often do need reassurance from a supports’ perspective about the right decision to make.

Joseph must consider the societal expectations, personal feelings, and a higher sense of duty or calling. His ultimate decision suggests that values and ethical convictions can override fear or shame. Joseph’s decision to stay with Mary despite the potential social stigma shows good moral decision-making.

Joseph’s story encourages us to trust in a higher plan, which ties into how faith and spirituality can helps us have resilience. People who face difficult circumstances can find comfort and strength in their faith, helping them to cope with adversity.

The birth of Jesus, as described in this chapter, provides a deep sense of purpose not only for the Joseph but for future generations. The search for meaning is a powerful motivator for our decisions, and this story reflects how purpose, even in difficult situations, can transform the way we approach challenges.

Where did we come from? – What Matthew 1 teaches us about parenting

Published on October 2024October 2024 by DaveLeave a comment

Have you ever tried to construct your family tree? By the time you get to your great-great-great grandparents, you are looking at 32 different people! Each of those 32 people lived individual and likely very different lives, and the 16 pairs of grandparents came together at a point in history to create the family line that led to you.

It’s also crazy to think that it is possible that you are one of 32 people, contributing to the line of your great-great-great grandchild!

Thinking about family trees helps us to reflect on where we came from and what kind of parent you want to be. What impact will you have on your future ancestors?

Matthew 1 starts by showing us Jesus’ family tree. Just like Jesus had a long family line, our children come from a long line of people too. As parents, it’s important to tell our kids where they come from, what values our family has, and what kind of people God wants them to grow up to be. We can learn from our ancestors’ mistakes and victories.

Matthew 1 continues with a short version of Jesus’ birth. When Joseph found out Mary was going to have a baby before they got married, he could have been really upset. But instead of embarrassing Mary or causing problems, he decided to protect her. Parents can learn from Joseph’s kindness. Even when things don’t go as planned, it’s important to respond with love and understanding, providing our kids the unconditional love, safety and security that God provides to us.

Joseph listened when God told him, through an angel, that Mary’s baby was special and would save people. He trusted God, even though it wasn’t easy. As parents, we can teach our kids to listen to God’s guidance and trust that He has a good plan for their lives.

God had a special plan for Jesus, and Joseph helped Jesus grow up to fulfil that plan. We should help our children discover their talents and dreams, and support them as they follow the path that God has for them.

To summarise, Matthew 1 teaches us to help our children understand who they are, where they have come from, show them unconditional love and kindness, trust God, and help them follow their own unique, God-planned purpose.

God made you a parent to reflect His heart, full of unconditional love, so that your child may grow to know and share that love with the world.

Part Of God’s Plan – Reflections On When Good People Die

Published on January 2024 by DaveLeave a comment

This is a stream of consciousness processing death of good people:

Are funerals to be a time of mourning or celebration?

Celebrate the life of the person.

Grieve their loss from our lives.

Celebrate that they can be joined with Jesus and fellow believers in heaven.

Grieve that we can no longer have their wisdom and goodness in our lives.

Celebrate all that we learned and the love we received from them.

Grieve that we can no longer show them love.

Are they in heaven as soon as they have passed, or are they waiting? Luke 23:43: “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise…” and 2 Corinthians 5:8, “We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord…” would suggest that those that pass get to be with God straight away, which is truly a comfort for those of us left behind.

The flavour of a funeral often reflects the life of the person just lived. Not to make sweeping statements but, in my experience, those who have had a large impact on others tend to have a funeral service where the eulogies are focused on how the person served others, rather than eulogies that focus on the person’s life events. How I hope that is how my own funeral plays out.

It is, of course, a tragedy that those who have an impact on others are taken at all. It takes a truly spiritually-strong person, who understands who God is, to lose a loved one and then announce ‘God is good’. To anyone who doesn’t understand God is, we see the loss of a life, especially one such as a pastor or someone who is constantly loving others, living righteously, and they see that as God being bad, confusing or possibly even ‘mean’.

God, however, never promises earthly comfort, or even that we deserve or are guaranteed a long life in this imperfect, broken world. What we are promised is eternal life. Revelation 21:4 says “He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

I am admittedly very bad at singing in church. As soon as the music starts to a song that I have literally sung at least five hundred times as a church-goer since birth, my brain shuts off to the lyrics. It takes a change of context, like a funeral, to fully appreciate what I am singing:

No guilt in life, no fear in death
This is the power of Christ in me

From life’s first cry to final breath
Jesus commands my destiny

No power of hell, no scheme of man
Can ever pluck me from His hand

Till He returns or calls me home
Here in the power of Christ I’ll stand
(In Christ Alone by Stuart Townend)

I appreciate funerals for the reflection they necessitate on my own life, and the priorities that I have on this really short time we have on earth. The day after my own funeral, people aren’t going to care (or even know) about how much knowledge I had in my head; which video games I had played; which movies or TV shows I watched; which podcasts I listened to; which books I read.

I once heard a very eminent secular scholar suggest that the reason they do their research is so that they can ‘live on through their research outputs’. Regardless of the fact that their research is not in a field that is traditionally considered historically noteworthy (i.e. it is doubtful that their research outputs will remain relevant for many years after their death), there is also the delusion that legacy of work is really an achievement of immortality.

I would much rather my legacy of work be that of loving others here on earth, while living a truly immortal life with God with my brothers and sisters in Christ.

For those who have lost good people from their lives, “Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.” (Matthew 5:4). In other words, those who are grieving are loved, and God is there to comfort you.

Should Church Sermons be Based on Bible Passages or Themes? A Biblical Debate

Published on October 2023October 2023 by DaveLeave a comment

Jonah: It’s clear to me that sermons should be biblically expository (bible passages). Paul urged Timothy in 2 Timothy 4:2 to “preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.” The emphasis here is on the Word. Expository preaching ensures that the entirety of God’s Word is being covered, and not just the parts that we find palatable.

Carl: But I believe that while biblical exposition is essential, there is also a need for thematic preaching. Jesus Himself often taught in parables, which were thematic and contextual, addressing specific issues or questions of His time. We can see this in Matthew 13 where Jesus shares numerous parables like the sower, the mustard seed, and the yeast. Our sermons should be adaptable and resonate with the current needs and contexts of our congregations, drawing from the Bible to address modern issues.

Jonah: But while Jesus used parables, He was always rooted in the truth of Scripture. Psalm 119:105 says, “Your word is a lamp for my feet, a light on my path.” To truly illuminate our path, we need to dive deep into Scripture, verse by verse, chapter by chapter. This way, we don’t miss out on any of the truths God has for us.

Carl: I completely agree that the Bible should be our foundation. But thematic sermons can still be deeply rooted in Scripture. When Paul addressed the Athenians in Acts 17:22-31, he started with a thematic approach, discussing an altar to an unknown god. He then bridged that theme with the Gospel message. This shows that while it’s important to be rooted in the Bible, we can start with themes that resonate with the audience and lead them to Scripture.

Jonah: While Paul used that approach in Athens, he also spent significant time in places like Ephesus, teaching the word of God in depth, as in Acts 20:27 where he says, “For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.” I worry that relying too heavily on it might lead to cherry-picking verses to fit the narrative of the sermon. The Bible warns in 2 Peter 3:16 about those who distort the Scriptures to their own destruction. Through expository preaching, we ensure that the whole counsel of God is presented in context.

Carl: It’s true that thematic sermons can sometimes risk being out of context. However, a well-prepared thematic sermon can provide comprehensive understanding too. Remember in Luke 24:27, it says, “And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he (Jesus) explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.” Jesus provided a thematic overview of the Scriptures, pointing to the central theme of redemption.

Jonah: However, there’s a risk that with thematic sermons, difficult or less popular topics in the Bible might be avoided. By preaching the Bible verse-by-verse, we ensure that even challenging topics are addressed, ensuring a well-rounded spiritual diet for the congregation.

Carl: It’s indeed essential to cover challenging topics, and a skilled preacher can address them in thematic sermons as well. In fact, thematic sermons can be an excellent way to address contemporary issues by connecting them to biblical principles. As Paul became all things to all people in 1 Corinthians 9:22, we too can use varied approaches to reach different audiences.

Jonah: My main contention is that a consistent diet of only thematic sermons might deprive believers of the depth of God’s Word. Ephesians 4:14 warns us, “Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching.” Expository preaching helps ground believers in the truth.

Carl: While I respect the depth and thoroughness of expository preaching, we must also remember the dynamic nature of the world we live in. As society changes and faces new challenges, shouldn’t we be flexible in our approach to preaching, drawing from relevant scriptures thematically to address these contemporary issues?

Jonah: I agree that we must address contemporary issues. But my concern is that if we focus solely on them, we might inadvertently stray from the foundational truths of Scripture. In Deuteronomy 6:6-7, we’re instructed to keep God’s commandments in our hearts and to teach them diligently to our children. This implies a consistent and thorough understanding of the Word.

Carl: But isn’t it also important to meet people where they are? Jesus often met people’s immediate needs and concerns before teaching deeper spiritual truths. For instance, when feeding the five thousand as recorded in John 6, He addressed their physical hunger before delving into the deeper truth of Him being the Bread of Life.

Jonah: That’s a fair point. However, we also see in John 6:66 that many disciples turned away when the teachings got hard. If we always cater our sermons to what people want to hear, we risk not challenging them with the harder truths of the Bible. Paul warns in 2 Timothy 4:3-4 that a time will come when people won’t endure sound teaching but will seek teachers that suit their desires.

Carl: I’m not advocating for watering down the Gospel or avoiding hard truths. My point is that thematic preaching can be an effective tool to first engage and then delve deeper. It’s like casting a net wide to bring many in and then nourishing them with the depth of Scripture.

Jonah: However, I believe that a church’s regular congregation needs the consistency and depth of expository preaching. As Psalm 1:2-3 says, the blessed man’s “delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day and night.” We need that regular, deep immersion in God’s Word.

Our faith calls us to continuously seek wisdom and understanding. It’s vital for us, as Christians, to engage in these dialogues, always aiming to reflect God’s love and wisdom in our lives and the lives of those around us.

Should Christians Wear Crosses? A Biblical Debate

Published on October 2023 by DaveLeave a comment

Jonah: I’ve noticed that many liberal Christians wear crosses around their necks as a symbol of their faith. I believe it’s inappropriate. In Exodus 20:4-5, the Bible says, “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them.” The cross, as an image, seems to be in violation of this commandment.

Carl: It’s essential to consider the context. The commandment in Exodus was primarily against idol worship. Wearing a cross isn’t about worshipping the symbol but remembering the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. In 1 Corinthians 1:18, it says, “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” The cross symbolises God’s power and love for us.

Jonah: But even if the intent isn’t to worship the cross, it can still become an idol for many. It’s a slippery slope. People might start giving more importance to the symbol than the meaning behind it. In Matthew 6:1, Jesus warns against practising righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. By wearing a cross, aren’t we trying to display our righteousness to the world?

Carl: However, wearing a cross can also be a personal reminder of one’s faith and commitment to Christ. It can serve as a conversation starter, giving Christians an opportunity to share the Gospel. In 1 Peter 3:15, it says, “But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have.” Wearing a cross can be an outward reflection of an inward faith.

Jonah: I also worry about the commercialisation of faith. Nowadays, you can find crosses on anything, from jewellery to clothing to art. Doesn’t this trivialise the symbol, turning it into just another fashion statement? We’re called to be in the world, not of it. By wearing crosses as a trendy accessory, aren’t we conforming to the world’s standards rather than setting ourselves apart?

Carl: It’s true that the cross has been commercialised in many ways. But it’s essential to discern between using the cross as a mere fashion statement and using it as a genuine expression of one’s faith. Romans 12:2 says, “Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.” It’s up to the individual to ensure their intentions are pure.

Jonah: But by allowing the cross to become a commercial symbol, aren’t we diminishing its sacredness? We should be safeguarding the sanctity of the symbols that represent our faith.

Carl: However, the power and significance of the cross aren’t in the material object itself but in what it represents: the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for our sins. While we should be cautious about how it’s used, we also need to remember that it’s the message behind the cross that holds true power and meaning. Philippians 2:8 says, “And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross!” It’s the act, not the artefact, that’s sacred.

Jonah: Still, I believe we should be wary. Symbols have power. They can evoke strong emotions and reactions. If we allow the cross to be trivialised, we risk diluting its impact and the message it carries.

Carl: You’re right. We should approach symbols with reverence and respect. But we also have to trust that the Holy Spirit will guide believers in understanding the true meaning of the cross, regardless of how it’s portrayed in society. John 16:13 says, “But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth.” We must have faith that God’s truth will always shine through.

Jonah: Another concern I have is the way non-believers perceive us when we wear crosses. To many, it might seem like we’re flaunting our faith or acting superior. Didn’t Jesus emphasise humility and warn against religious ostentation? In Matthew 23:5, He said, “Everything they do is done for people to see.” We should be careful not to come across as self-righteous.

Carl: That’s a valid concern. However, wearing a cross doesn’t inherently mean flaunting faith or acting superior. It’s about the heart’s intention. If one wears a cross with humility, as a personal reminder or testament of faith, then it’s in line with Christ’s teachings. Furthermore, the cross can be a bridge to discussions about faith with non-believers. Acts 1:8 says, “You will be my witnesses,” and sometimes, a visible symbol like the cross can open doors for witnessing.

Jonah: I hear you, but the potential for misunderstanding is vast. We live in a diverse world with many faiths and beliefs. Wearing a prominent Christian symbol might create barriers with those of other faiths or those who have had negative experiences with Christianity.

Carl: That’s true, but it also offers an opportunity for dialogue and understanding. If someone asks about the cross or expresses concern, it’s a chance to share our beliefs and listen to theirs. 1 Peter 3:16 advises us to, “Keep a clear conscience so that those who speak maliciously against your good behaviour in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.” It’s about building bridges, not walls.

Jonah: I just think we need to be cautious. Our world is becoming increasingly polarised. I’d rather live out my faith through actions and character, letting those speak louder than any symbol I might wear.

Carl: And that’s a commendable approach, Jonah. Both approaches have merit. Whether we choose to wear a cross or not, the most important thing is to ensure our hearts are aligned with Christ’s teachings and that our actions reflect His love and grace to the world.

Should Christians use Cognitive Behavioural Therapy? A Biblical Debate

Published on October 2023October 2023 by DaveLeave a comment

Jonah: I believe that Christians should solely rely on the Word of God for healing and guidance, as it is written in Psalm 107:20, “He sent out his word and healed them; he rescued them from the grave.” Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is a secular practice, and we should not lean on human understanding.

Carl: While the Bible is indeed a powerful source of healing, it doesn’t necessarily exclude the use of therapeutic practices like CBT. God has given humans the ability to learn and grow in understanding, including developing helpful therapies. In Philippians 4:8, Paul encourages believers to think about whatever is true, noble, right, pure, lovely, and admirable. CBT helps individuals to do just that by correcting negative thought patterns.

Jonah: But Proverbs 3:5-6 instructs us to “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.” Relying on secular therapies suggests a lack of faith in God’s ability to heal and guide us through His Word and Spirit.

Carl: I understand your concern, Jonah. However, using therapies like CBT doesn’t mean we are relying solely on human understanding. Instead, we can see it as a tool God has provided through the wisdom and knowledge He has granted to humanity. James 1:5 says, “If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.” Therapists who practice CBT have gained wisdom and knowledge that can be used to help others, and this can be seen as a gift from God.

Jonah: While God grants wisdom, He also warns against the wisdom of the world. 1 Corinthians 3:19 states, “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight.” We should be cautious not to be deceived by worldly practices that might lead us away from reliance on God and His Word.

Carl: However, it’s crucial to discern between worldly wisdom that leads us away from God and wisdom that can be used for healing and wholeness in a way that aligns with biblical principles. CBT, when practised ethically and with consideration of a person’s faith, can be a valuable tool for mental health without compromising Christian beliefs.

Jonah: CBT implies that the Scriptures and prayer are insufficient for our healing and well-being. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” If we truly believe this, why would we need anything else?

Carl: I agree that Scriptures are powerful and essential for our spiritual life. However, God also works through people and the broader world to bring healing and support to those in need. The Bible doesn’t explicitly mention many modern medical practices, but that doesn’t mean we should reject them. For instance, Luke, one of the Gospel writers, was a physician. His work was seen as valuable and not in opposition to faith.

Jonah: But there’s a difference between medical practices that address physical ailments and those that address the soul and mind. Our mental and spiritual health should be entrusted to God and His Word, not to secular practices that may not acknowledge the Lord’s sovereignty and wisdom.

Carl: It’s crucial to approach any therapy, including CBT, with discernment and wisdom. However, it’s also important to acknowledge that God can use various means to bring healing and peace to our minds. Many Christians have found CBT to be a valuable tool that complements their faith and helps them deal with anxiety, depression, and other mental health challenges in a healthy way. We should be open to the ways God might work, even if they are unexpected or unconventional.

Jonah: We must be vigilant and guard our hearts and minds in Christ Jesus, as Philippians 4:7 instructs. Engaging with secular practices opens the door to worldly influences that may subtly shift our focus away from God and His truth.

Carl: Vigilance and discernment are indeed essential. Yet, it’s possible to engage with therapies like CBT in a way that is grounded in and supportive of our Christian faith. We can use these tools wisely, acknowledging that all good things come from God, as James 1:17 tells us. Let’s not limit the ways God can work in our lives but approach every opportunity for healing with prayerful consideration and discernment.

Jonah: CBT aims to alleviate suffering by changing negative thought patterns. However, we know that suffering has spiritual significance in the Christian faith. Romans 5:3-4 says, “Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope.” By seeking to eliminate suffering through psychological means, aren’t we potentially interfering with God’s plan for spiritual growth and deeper faith in individuals?

Carl: It’s true that suffering can lead to spiritual growth, but it’s also important to consider the context of suffering. Not all suffering is spiritually significant or necessary for growth. The Bible also teaches compassion and care for those who are suffering. In Matthew 25:36, Jesus commends those who provide care, saying, “I was sick and you looked after me.” CBT is a way to care for and support individuals who are struggling with harmful thought patterns and mental health challenges.

Jonah: But there’s a risk of misunderstanding the purpose of suffering if we are quick to alleviate it without seeking God’s wisdom and guidance. James 1:2-4 instructs, “Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance.” We should be cautious not to bypass these opportunities for spiritual growth by relying on human interventions.

Carl: However, using CBT doesn’t necessarily mean we are avoiding or misunderstanding suffering. Instead, it can be a tool to help individuals navigate through their suffering more effectively, providing them with skills and strategies to cope with life’s challenges while still growing spiritually. It’s not about eliminating suffering but about helping people to handle their suffering in a way that is healthy and constructive.

Jonah: While coping mechanisms can be helpful, we must ensure that they don’t replace reliance on God and the transformative power of the Holy Spirit in our lives. 2 Corinthians 12:9 reminds us that God’s grace is sufficient, and His power is made perfect in weakness. We should be wary of therapies that might lead individuals to find sufficiency in themselves rather than in God.

Carl: I agree that our ultimate reliance should be on God. However, I believe that God uses various means, including therapy, to extend His grace and help to us. Engaging in CBT doesn’t have to mean finding sufficiency in ourselves; it can be a way through which God provides healing and support. We can approach CBT with a spirit of humility and dependence on God, seeing it as one of the many resources God has provided to assist us in our journey of healing and growth.

Jonah: CBT significantly emphasises self-help and personal responsibility for managing one’s thoughts and behaviours. This approach can be seen as promoting self-reliance instead of fostering reliance on God and divine guidance. As Christians, we are taught to surrender our lives to Christ and depend on Him. Proverbs 3:5-6 says, “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding.”

Carl: While CBT does promote personal responsibility, it doesn’t necessarily advocate for self-reliance in a way that excludes God. Personal responsibility in the context of CBT is about recognising and changing harmful thought patterns and behaviours, which can be seen as aligning with biblical teachings about renewing our minds and living righteously. Romans 12:2 says, “Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.”

Jonah: But the transformation and renewal of our minds are described as the work of God, not something we achieve through our efforts. By encouraging individuals to take control of their thoughts and behaviours, CBT might inadvertently lead them away from surrendering to God’s transformative work in their lives.

Carl: However, participating in CBT doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive with surrendering to and relying on God. Christians engaging in CBT can approach it with a heart of surrender, seeing the process of therapy as a space where they cooperate with God’s grace and guidance to experience healing and transformation. It’s a collaborative effort between the individual, the therapist, and God.

Should Christians Drink Alcohol? A Biblical Debate

Published on September 2023September 2023 by DaveLeave a comment

Jonah: I’ve always believed that the Bible discourages the consumption of alcohol. Take Proverbs 20:1 for instance, “Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.” This clearly implies that alcohol can lead one astray.

Carl: However, it’s essential to look at the Bible holistically. While Proverbs 20:1 warns about the deceptive nature of alcohol, we shouldn’t forget the wedding at Cana where Jesus himself turned water into wine in John 2:1-11. If wine was inherently evil, why would Jesus provide it?

Jonah: The miracle at Cana isn’t necessarily an endorsement of drinking alcohol. It could be symbolic, representing transformation and newness in Jesus’ ministry. Moreover, Ephesians 5:18 says, “Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.” Doesn’t that suggest we should abstain from wine to maintain our spiritual integrity?

Carl: That’s a valid point. But remember, Ephesians 5:18 specifically warns against getting drunk on wine, not drinking wine in itself. The Bible differentiates between consuming alcohol and abusing it. Consider 1 Timothy 5:23 where Paul advises Timothy: “Use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.” It indicates that wine, in moderation, can have beneficial uses.

Jonah: While that might be the case, we shouldn’t overlook verses that show the destructive nature of alcohol. Like Habakkuk 2:15, which says, “Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbors, pouring it from the wineskin till they are drunk, so that he can gaze on their naked bodies!” Alcohol can lead to immoral behavior and other sins. Isn’t it safer to avoid it altogether?

Carl: I agree that alcohol, when misused, can lead to sin and destructive behavior. But, we must recognize our freedom and responsibility in Christ. Jesus often dined with tax collectors and sinners where wine was likely present (Matthew 9:10-13). It’s about the heart’s intention. If one’s heart is set on righteousness, a moderate glass of wine shouldn’t condemn them.

Jonah: But wouldn’t it be better for Christians to set an example by abstaining, showing the world that we don’t need worldly pleasures to be joyful?

Carl: But joy and freedom in Christ also means having the wisdom to enjoy the pleasures of life He created, in moderation, without being enslaved to them. Remember Psalms 104:14-15, “He makes grass grow for the cattle, and plants for people to cultivate—bringing forth food from the earth: wine that gladdens human hearts, oil to make their faces shine, and bread that sustains their hearts.”

Jonah: While we’ve discussed the biblical context of drinking, we should also consider the historical setting. In biblical times, alcoholic beverages weren’t as potent as today’s drinks. They often mixed wine with water to dilute its strength, so even if they consumed it, it was much weaker than what we encounter today.

Carl That’s an interesting perspective, Jonah. Yes, it’s true that in ancient times, they often diluted wine. But it’s also worth noting that wine was a common beverage for many, sometimes even safer than water due to potential contamination of local water sources. Jesus and His disciples likely drank this diluted wine. If it was inherently wrong, wouldn’t Jesus, who was without sin, have abstained?

Jonah: While Jesus might have consumed wine, we need to remember the primary reason for its consumption. As you mentioned, due to sanitation issues, fermented drinks were sometimes safer. Today, with the advent of purified water and various beverages, the need to drink alcohol for health reasons has diminished.

Carl: True, but when we speak of historical context, let’s also remember the significance of wine in various ceremonies and celebrations. The Last Supper, which we commemorate during communion, involved wine. It was integral to Jewish culture and many of their celebrations. Shouldn’t this historical acceptance, even by Christ, inform our view?

Jonah: But you must admit, Carl, that the socio-cultural environment was different back then. The lack of strong alcoholic beverages and recreational drugs means the potential for misuse and abuse wasn’t as prevalent as in our modern era. Given the present dangers and stronger alcohol content, shouldn’t we adapt our stance to abstain for our well-being and that of our community?

Carl: I can see your point about the differences in societal contexts. However, I believe the principle remains: moderation and the heart’s intention. Even if we adapt our stance due to modern concerns, it doesn’t negate that the Bible doesn’t universally prohibit alcohol consumption but warns against excess and drunkenness.

Jonah: I agree that the Bible emphasises moderation. But as Christians, given the historical and current contexts combined, shouldn’t we be on the side of caution? Today’s world is filled with temptations, and avoiding alcohol might be a way to steer clear from potential pitfalls. Even if we consider historical context and biblical interpretation, we cannot ignore the potential moral implications of consuming alcohol. Alcohol often leads to impaired judgment. And as we know, impaired judgment can lead to sinful actions. The Bible warns against anything that makes us lose self-control, and alcohol can certainly do that.

Carl: I agree that alcohol can impair judgment, but we should differentiate between moderate consumption and excessive drinking. The key is self-control and moderation. Galatians 5:22-23 talks about the fruit of the Spirit, which includes self-control. If a Christian can drink moderately without compromising their moral compass, shouldn’t they be allowed that freedom?

Jonah: While that may be true for some, for others, even a small amount can be a slippery slope. 1 Peter 5:8 says, “Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.” Isn’t it our responsibility to remain vigilant at all times? Alcohol, even in small amounts, can dull that vigilance.

Carl: That’s a valid concern. But remember, Peter’s call for sobriety is not just about alcohol; it’s about being spiritually vigilant. If we focus only on physical sobriety, we might neglect other areas where we aren’t “sober-minded,” like excessive indulgence in other worldly pleasures or distractions.

Jonah: But there’s no denying that alcohol has led many down the path of immorality. Be it drunken brawls, reckless behaviour, or inappropriate relationships, alcohol often plays a role. As followers of Christ, our conduct matters. In 1 Thessalonians 5:22, we’re advised to “abstain from all appearance of evil.” Even if someone drinks responsibly, won’t they risk appearing immoral in the eyes of others?

Carl: It’s essential to be conscious of how our actions might be perceived. But it’s also vital to not bind all believers to the convictions of a few. Each Christian should be led by their conscience and the Holy Spirit. Romans 14:3 says, “The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.” Replace eating with drinking, and the principle remains the same.

Jonah: Yet, Carl, the dangers of alcohol extend beyond mere personal conduct. It can damage families, relationships, and entire communities. Isn’t it wiser, then, for us to advocate for complete abstention to prevent such pitfalls?

Carl: The destructive potential of alcohol misuse is undeniable. But the solution isn’t necessarily universal abstention but rather education, support, and spiritual guidance. It’s about fostering a community where believers exercise freedom responsibly and are accountable to one another.

Jonah: Our role as Christians isn’t just about our personal conduct but also how we present ourselves to the world. Our actions and choices directly influence our ability to witness to non-believers. By consuming alcohol, aren’t we risking presenting a compromised image of Christianity?

Carl: But witnessing is about more than just appearances; it’s about authenticity and relationship. If we’re genuine in our faith and interactions, a moderate consumption of alcohol shouldn’t overshadow the message of Christ’s love and salvation.

Jonah: But 1 Corinthians 8:9 warns us, “Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak.” Even if one can handle alcohol responsibly, what if their drinking causes another person, especially a new believer or non-believer, to stumble?

Carl: You’re right to highlight that verse. We should be sensitive to those around us. But this sensitivity should apply in all areas of our lives, not just alcohol. It’s about discerning when to exercise our freedom and when to refrain for the sake of others.

Jonah: But alcohol has a certain prominence in our society. It’s often associated with parties, excesses, and, at times, debauchery. If we want to set ourselves apart and truly be a light in the world, doesn’t it make sense to abstain from things so closely tied to worldly indulgences?

Carl: I see where you’re coming from. But it’s also worth noting that Jesus was often criticised for dining with tax collectors and sinners (Matthew 9:10-13). He didn’t shy away from situations where alcohol was present. Instead, He used those moments to reach out and connect. Can’t we, too, be a witness by showing that one can be part of society, enjoy its customs in moderation, and yet remain true to Christian values?

Jonah: Still, Carl, our primary call is to lead others to Christ. If there’s even a chance that our drinking might hinder that, shouldn’t we err on the side of caution?

Carl: It’s a balance, Jonah. We need to weigh our personal convictions with the broader mission. Yes, in some situations, it might be wiser to abstain for the sake of witnessing effectively. But in others, showing responsible, moderate behaviour could break down barriers and challenge preconceptions about Christianity.

Jonah: Carl, there’s another perspective we haven’t delved into. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 says, “Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honour God with your bodies.” Given that our body is the dwelling place of the Holy Spirit, shouldn’t we refrain from substances like alcohol that can potentially harm it?

Carl: Jonah, I respect and deeply resonate with that verse. But consider this: eating unhealthy foods, lack of exercise, or even stress can harm our bodies. Where do we draw the line? If we interpret that verse strictly, many daily habits could be seen as dishonoring the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Jonah: It’s true we might have other habits that aren’t necessarily healthy, but alcohol can have immediate detrimental effects on the mind and body, unlike some other habits. And as we’ve previously discussed, even a small amount can impair judgment and hinder our connection with the Holy Spirit.

Carl: Yet, didn’t God create wine for enjoyment? Psalm 104:14-15 says, “He makes grass grow for the cattle, and plants for people to cultivate—bringing forth food from the earth: wine that gladdens human hearts, oil to make their faces shine, and bread that sustains their hearts.” It suggests that wine, when consumed responsibly, can be part of God’s blessing.

Jonah: While wine might be a blessing, we should consider its impact on our spiritual health. The Apostle Paul, in 1 Corinthians 9:27, says, “But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.” To truly keep our bodies as temples, rigorous discipline and perhaps even sacrifices, like abstaining from alcohol, are necessary.

Carl: That’s a commendable perspective, Jonah. But discipline doesn’t always mean abstention. It can also mean moderation and control. Remember, it’s the heart’s intention that matters. If one drinks with gratitude, moderation, and without compromising their spiritual and physical health, I believe they are still honouring their body as a temple.

Jonah: But considering how easy it is to overindulge and the potential harm it can cause, wouldn’t it be a greater act of worship and reverence to abstain?

Carl: For some, abstention might be the right choice. But for others, the act of responsible enjoyment could be an expression of gratitude for God’s blessings. As with many things, it boils down to personal conviction and how one feels led by the Holy Spirit.

Jonah: It’s a profound responsibility, to care for the temple that God entrusted to us. We must approach it with deep reverence and thought.

Carl: I couldn’t agree more. Each decision we make, including about alcohol, should reflect our commitment to honouring God with our bodies.

Should Christians Eat Pork? A Biblical Debate on Leviticus 11:7-8

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Jonah: It’s clear that the Bible states in Leviticus 11:7-8, “And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.” This directive is straightforward. The Lord has commanded us not to eat pork.

Carl: I understand where you’re coming from, and I respect the teachings of Leviticus. However, we must also consider the New Testament. In Acts 10:9-15, Peter had a vision in which he saw various animals and was told, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” Peter was hesitant because some of the animals were considered unclean, but the voice told him, “What God has made clean, do not call common.” This passage suggests a shift in understanding, indicating that under the New Covenant, food restrictions were no longer necessary.

Jonah: But the Old Testament is the word of God, just as much as the New Testament is. We cannot simply overlook it. When God forbids something, it’s for a reason. The prohibition of pork was not just a random rule.

Carl: I’m not suggesting we disregard the Old Testament. But the context matters. Jesus himself mentioned in Mark 7:18-19, “Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” Therefore, it’s not what we eat that makes us unclean, but what comes from our hearts.

Jonah: Still, Carl, one might argue that out of respect for God’s commandments, we should abstain. We are told repeatedly in the Bible to obey His laws.

Carl: True, obedience is crucial. However, the essence of Christianity, especially in light of Jesus’ teachings, is the spirit of the law over the letter of the law. In Romans 14:14, Paul says, “I am persuaded by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteems anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.” So, if you believe eating pork is wrong for you, then don’t. But we shouldn’t judge others who feel differently.

Jonah: Moving on, Carl, even if we consider the historical context, God’s commandments have a timeless quality. The prohibition against eating pork, among other things, was rooted in deep wisdom. Perhaps the conditions back then made it essential for health reasons, given the diseases pigs carried.

Carl: I appreciate your point, Jonah. The historical context is crucial to consider. Many of the Old Testament laws were given during a time when Israelites were wandering in the desert or living in conditions where they might not have had access to proper methods of cooking or preserving meat. Pigs, in particular, might have been prone to parasites and other health risks. But with advancements in cooking, farming, and health standards, those concerns are not as valid today.

Jonah: Even so, doesn’t it stand to reason that if God gave a specific commandment during a particular period, it had relevance beyond just that era? Perhaps there’s a deeper spiritual reasoning we’re not considering.

Carl: There could be, but remember, many religious and cultural traditions evolve based on the understanding of the times. For instance, dietary restrictions might’ve been both for health reasons and to set the Israelites apart from neighbouring tribes and their practices. The context matters. If we were to follow every directive from the Old Testament to the letter today, our lives would look very different.

Jonah: That’s my point, Carl. Maybe they should. Maybe by moving away from those laws, we are losing some essence of our relationship with God.

Carl: While maintaining a relationship with God is paramount, we also have to understand that our faith is dynamic. If Christianity didn’t adapt to varying contexts, it wouldn’t have spread across cultures and continents as it has. Remember, Jesus’ main message was love, understanding, and redemption. It’s the spirit of the teachings we should hold onto, not just the literal interpretations.

Jonah: Still, it seems like a slippery slope. If we start disregarding certain commandments based on historical context, where do we draw the line? When we talk about our faith, it’s essential to maintain its universality. Christianity is not supposed to be relative to cultural shifts or societal norms. The teachings are universal. When God said something was unclean or forbidden, shouldn’t that stand regardless of culture or period?

Carl: I appreciate the idea of the universality of Christian teachings. But let’s distinguish between the core essence of Christianity and its practices. The core, as I see it, revolves around the teachings of Jesus – love, compassion, redemption, and grace. These are indeed universal. But practices, like dietary restrictions, might vary based on culture or context. In 1 Corinthians 9:20-22, Paul speaks of becoming “all things to all people” in order to save some. This is about adapting without compromising the core message.

Jonah: But isn’t that dangerous? The moment we say some teachings can adapt while others remain rigid, aren’t we opening the door for future generations to modify Christianity based on their whims?

Carl: It’s a valid concern. However, the ability to adapt is also why Christianity has been so resilient and widespread. The Apostles went to various nations, spreading the Word, and they often had to adapt their teachings to the local context without changing the core message of Christ’s salvation. Take, for instance, the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15, where it was decided that Gentile converts did not need to observe all Jewish laws. If the early church hadn’t made such decisions, the spread of Christianity might have been hindered.

Jonah: Still, the idea of Universalism suggests that the teachings apply everywhere, in all situations. If we believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God, then we should be wary of changing or adapting any part of it.

Carl: And I agree that the Bible’s core messages are universal and timeless. However, Universalism in the context of Christianity can also mean that the message of Christ’s love and redemption is for everyone, irrespective of their background, culture, or practices. And for that message to truly be universal, sometimes the methods or practices might need to adapt to better suit different audiences.

Jonah: I fear that we might end up diluting our faith if we keep bending to fit every culture or trend. The Word of God should stand firm.

Carl: And the Word will always stand firm, Jonah. It’s the way we share and live it that might differ. Remember, Christianity is about the heart and spirit, more than rituals or rules. As long as we’re grounded in Christ’s love, we’re on the right path.

Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? A Biblical Debate

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Jonah: I’m genuinely concerned about Christians participating in Halloween. The Bible says in Ephesians 5:11, “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.” Halloween’s origins in pagan and druid traditions, as well as its contemporary associations with witchcraft and the occult, make it a celebration of darkness.

Carl: I appreciate your viewpoint, but we should remember that many Christian holidays have origins in pagan traditions, like Christmas and Easter, and yet we’ve managed to repurpose them to celebrate our faith. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 reminds us that “there is no God but one… for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live.” Halloween can be an opportunity for Christians to shine a light in the darkness, rather than hide from it.

Jonah: But it’s not just about the origins. It’s about what it represents today. Ghosts, witches, and even demonic symbols are prevalent. Philippians 4:8 says, “Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.” Celebrating Halloween encourages thoughts on the opposite.

Carl: I understand that concern. However, for many people, especially children, Halloween is about imagination, creativity, and community. It’s about dressing up, sharing candy, and enjoying the company of neighbours. If we approach Halloween with a sense of fun and community, rather than focusing on the darker aspects, we can turn it into a positive experience. Moreover, Romans 14:14 states, “I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself.” It’s all about our approach and intent.

Jonah: There’s no denying the evident evil in the world. And on Halloween, people often glamorise that evil. 1 Thessalonians 5:22 instructs us to “Avoid every kind of evil.” Shouldn’t we be setting ourselves apart, living as an example to others?

Carl: But Jesus also ate with tax collectors and sinners, showing that it’s possible to engage with the world without being corrupted by it. In John 17:15-16, Jesus prayed, “My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.” By participating in Halloween in a wholesome way, we can be in the world, but not of it, providing a positive influence and perspective.

Jonah: It’s essential to remain vigilant. I believe there are better ways for Christians to engage with their communities without compromising their values.

Carl: As Romans 14:5 says, “One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.” It’s crucial for each Christian to follow their conscience and convictions when it comes to matters like these.

Jonah: You mentioned Christmas and Easter earlier, Carl. It’s true that they have origins in pagan traditions, but Christians have overtaken those holidays and shifted the focus to Christ’s birth and resurrection. However, Halloween remains a day where death, fear, and the supernatural are glamorised. 2 Corinthians 6:17 says, “Come out from them and be separate,” urging us to distinguish ourselves from worldly practices.

Carl: While I see your point, Jonah, I believe the distinction is in how we approach and handle these situations. Paul, in Acts 17, went to Athens, a city full of idols, and used one of their altars “To an Unknown God” as a bridge to share the gospel. In a similar vein, Christians can use Halloween as a bridge to connect with others. A church might host a harvest festival or a “Trunk or Treat” event to provide a safe space for children while sharing God’s love.

Jonah: But are we diluting our message? By trying to Christianize everything, we might be watering down the potency of the Gospel. In Revelation 3:16, the Lord speaks about the lukewarm church, saying, “So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.” Could participating in Halloween be a symptom of lukewarm Christianity?

Carl: I believe it’s all about the heart and motivation, Jonah. If a Christian celebrates Halloween with the intent of building relationships, showing love, and potentially sharing the gospel, then they’re being mission-focused, not lukewarm. 1 Corinthians 9:22 says, “I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.” It doesn’t mean compromising our beliefs but adapting our methods to reach others.

Jonah: I fear we might be sending mixed signals to young believers or those weak in their faith. They might see Christians celebrating Halloween and think that indulging in occult practices or dabbling in the supernatural is okay. The Bible warns in 1 Corinthians 8:9, “Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak.”

Carl: A valid concern, Jonah. But that’s where discipleship and guidance come in. Mature Christians and church leaders should educate the younger generation about the line between innocent fun and activities that might be spiritually harmful. And just as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 10:31, “So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God,” we can guide them to approach everything, including Halloween, with the intention of glorifying God. For many people, Halloween is deeply rooted in childhood nostalgia. It’s about memories of carving pumpkins, watching fun spooky movies with family, or going trick-or-treating with friends. At its core, for many, it’s a harmless tradition that revolves around community and childhood joys, much like a family gathering around the Thanksgiving table. We don’t necessarily need to ascribe deep spiritual meaning to every cultural tradition.

Jonah: But Carl, nostalgia shouldn’t be the driving force for our actions, especially when it could potentially conflict with our faith. In Luke 9:62, Jesus said, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.” This suggests we need to be forward-focused in our faith, not clinging to past traditions for sentimentality’s sake.

Carl: I’m not advocating for holding onto past traditions that directly contradict our faith. What I’m saying is that we can distinguish between harmful practices and simple, innocent nostalgia. Proverbs 22:6 mentions, “Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.” If children are taught to differentiate between the harmless joys of Halloween and the more concerning elements, then they can carry those lessons into adulthood and remember the tradition fondly without compromising their faith.

Jonah: It’s just that the line between nostalgia and being influenced by secular practices can be thin. 1 Peter 5:8 warns us to “Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.” Even if something seems innocent, there could be unseen influences.

Carl: That’s a fair point, Jonah. But I believe that we should give credit to the strength of our faith and teachings. Just as Paul in Athens, which I mentioned earlier, recognised the culture and found a way to introduce Christ, we too can acknowledge the cultural significance of Halloween without being consumed by its potentially negative aspects. It’s about balance and understanding. And if we approach Halloween, or any other cultural celebration, with knowledge, love, and the right intent, we can navigate through the potential pitfalls.

Jonah: I guess what I’m hoping for is clarity for believers, especially the younger ones. We should ensure that in our pursuit of nostalgia and cultural engagement, we aren’t confusing or leading anyone astray.

Carl: And I couldn’t agree more, Jonah. Communication, guidance, and understanding are key. It’s up to us, the older generation, to provide that clarity and teach them how to discern the harmless from the harmful. And, as always, everything we do should be done in love and reflection of Christ’s teachings.

How Should Christians Resolve Conflicts? A Biblical Debate on Matthew 18

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Jonah : The Bible is clear in Matthew 18:15-17. Jesus said, “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.” This is a straightforward guideline from Jesus Himself, and we should follow it as it is.

Carl: Indeed, the words of Jesus in Matthew 18 provide a foundational approach to conflict resolution. However, we must also look at the broader context of Jesus’ teachings. For instance, in Matthew 22:37-40, Jesus mentions the two greatest commandments: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” In light of this, while we consider the guidelines in Matthew 18, we should also approach conflict resolution with deep love and understanding.

Jonah: Absolutely, love is paramount. But love also means adhering to the truth. In 2 Timothy 3:16-17, it is written, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” If we deviate from the clear teachings and processes that Jesus laid out, aren’t we moving away from the truth?

Carl: I’m not suggesting we ignore Jesus’ teachings. Instead, I believe in understanding the essence of His message. For instance, when Jesus speaks of treating someone “as a Gentile and a tax collector,” it’s vital to remember how Jesus Himself treated tax collectors, like Matthew. He invited them into fellowship (Matthew 9:9-13). So, even in moments of separation, there’s an implicit invitation to reconciliation.

Jonah: That’s a fair point. However, there’s a difference between the general compassion Jesus showed and the specific guidelines He set for His followers. While He did eat with sinners and tax collectors, He also upheld the truth, calling people to repentance.

Carl: True, Jesus did call for repentance. But isn’t the essence of His teachings more about the heart’s posture? Like in Luke 6:41-42, where Jesus speaks about the speck and the plank: “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? … First, take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” Shouldn’t our approach to conflict resolution be marked by humility and self-examination?

Jonah: I agree that self-examination is critical. Still, once we have addressed our shortcomings, there’s a need to uphold the structure and processes given by Jesus for the sake of order and righteousness within the community.

Carl: I just believe that while we uphold these guidelines, it’s essential to balance them with grace, ensuring we don’t compromise the broader message of love and reconciliation that Jesus consistently championed.

Jonah: Transitioning our discussion to the present day, I firmly believe that Matthew 18’s guidelines apply as they stand, even today. Irrespective of how society has changed, God’s word remains unchanged. Just as in Hebrews 13:8 it is written, “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.” We must, then, approach conflict resolution as instructed, even in our modern context.

Carl: I respect the consistency of your belief in the unchanging nature of Christ. Yet, as society evolves, so do our relationships and modes of communication. This isn’t to dilute the Word but to adapt its application. The Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 9:22 said, “I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.” Paul adjusted his approach based on his audience without compromising the message. Perhaps, in the same spirit, we can adapt the guidelines in Matthew 18 to our contemporary settings.

Jonah: True, Paul did adapt his approach. But isn’t there a risk that by “adjusting” the guidelines Jesus provided, we could inadvertently water down or stray from the intended path of righteousness and clarity?

Carl: It’s a valid concern. But consider online interactions today. If someone wrongs you on social media or through an email, the process of confronting them might look different than if they were physically present. Furthermore, in our diverse society, many are not Christians. Using Matthew 18 might not resonate with them. Instead, the spirit of the guidance – seeking understanding, reconciliation, and healing – should be our focus.

Jonah: I see where you’re coming from, especially with digital interactions. However, even online, the steps can be mirrored: address the person privately, then with a few witnesses, and escalate if necessary. And as for non-Christians, isn’t it an opportunity for them to see Christ’s wisdom and perhaps be drawn to Him?

Carl: That might be true for some. Yet, there’s a risk of appearing exclusionary or ritualistic to others. Just like the Pharisees in the New Testament were criticised for holding too strictly to the law and missing the heart of God’s message, we must be cautious that our approach to conflict resolution showcases God’s love first and foremost.

Jonah: When Jesus said in verses 15-17, “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone…“, and eventually, “If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church“, it’s clear that the church has an undeniable role in resolving disputes.

Carl: I don’t disagree. The church indeed plays a pivotal role. But, I believe the emphasis is more on the spirit of reconciliation than a strict step-by-step approach. The church’s role, as I see it, is to guide, heal, and restore relationships rather than being the final adjudicator.

Jonah: Matthew 18:17 ends with, “And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.” This suggests a clear process that culminates with the church’s decision, which should be final and binding.

Carl: But remember how Jesus treated the Gentiles and tax collectors? With love, mercy, and grace. In Matthew 9:11, the Pharisees asked the disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?” So, while the church has a role in the process, it should be an embodiment of Christ’s love and grace, focusing on restoration.

Jonah: I’m not refuting the need for love and grace. But there has to be a process, Carl. It’s not just about feeling and intuition. It’s about following Christ’s words. The church, being the body of believers, serves as the ultimate earthly authority in matters of disputes among members.

Carl: Consider this, Jonah. The early church in Acts operated much differently from today. Acts 15 shows the council in Jerusalem deliberating over the Gentile question. There was debate, disagreement, and finally a letter sent out for clarity. Yet, it was done with mutual respect, understanding, and a willingness to find a middle ground.

Jonah: True, but that doesn’t negate the authority of the church. It just demonstrates that the church can and should engage in discussion. We must adhere to scripture while doing so.

Carl: And I believe we can do both. Remember 1 Corinthians 6:1-7, where Paul discourages Christians from taking disputes before secular courts? He underscores the wisdom that can be found within the church, yet he also emphasizes resolving disputes amicably.

Jonah: I acknowledge that, but we must not forget that these guidelines are there to ensure order, clarity, and righteousness within the church body. We can’t be too flexible, or we risk diluting the word. Delving deeper into Matthew 18, it starts with, “If your brother sins against you…“. This brings me to another topic: the very nature of sin. To address conflicts as instructed, we must first have a clear understanding of what constitutes sin.

Carl: I agree, but sin’s nature can be complex. While there are clear directives in scripture about specific actions being sinful, many modern dilemmas aren’t directly addressed in the Bible. How do we navigate those?

Jonah: We should rely on the unchanging word of God. 1 John 3:4 states, “Everyone who commits sin practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.” If something goes against God’s law, as revealed in scripture, it’s sin. The Ten Commandments provide a foundation, but scripture as a whole informs us of God’s standards.

Carl: I believe Jesus expanded our understanding of sin beyond just actions. In Matthew 5, during the Sermon on the Mount, He equates anger with murder and lustful looks with adultery. He goes to the root – our hearts and motives. It’s not just about actions; it’s the spirit behind them.

Jonah: Absolutely, and I don’t contest that. But there are clear boundaries set in scripture. If we start being subjective about what sin is, we risk diluting God’s word and His standards. We can’t just say something isn’t a sin because society’s views have changed.

Carl: I’m not advocating for a full redefinition. I’m suggesting that, in our modern context, we must approach sin with both scripture and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. James 4:17 reminds us, “So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.” Sometimes, it’s the absence of doing good, not just committing overtly sinful acts.

Jonah: And while I appreciate that perspective, my concern is: where do we draw the line? If we become too liberal in our understanding of sin, we might fail to correct our brothers and sisters when they stray, as Matthew 18 instructs.

Carl: I think our guiding principle should be love and the two greatest commandments Jesus mentioned in Matthew 22:37-40 – loving God and loving our neighbor. If an action or inaction goes against these core principles, then it’s leading us away from Christ’s teachings.

Jonah: True love, Carl, also involves correction. Proverbs 27:5 says, “Better is open rebuke than hidden love.” We should love our brothers and sisters enough to point out when they stray, based on the clear standards of scripture.

Carl: Agreed, Jonah. But correction must be done with humility, grace, and the realisation that we all fall short. Romans 3:23 reminds us, “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” Our approach must always be restorative, not condemnatory. Moving forward, there’s another aspect of Matthew 18 that’s been on my mind. When addressing a sin or conflict, how do we balance the directive with the need for privacy and confidentiality?

Jonah: I believe that when Jesus said, “go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone,” in Matthew 18:15, He was emphasising the importance of privacy. The initial step is very personal, very private.

Carl: True, but if the matter isn’t resolved, it escalates. The scripture mentions involving one or two more, and if that fails, then telling it to the church. That’s hardly private.

Jonah: I see it as a process, Jonah. Before it reaches the wider community, there are several checks in place, emphasising resolution at the most private level first. But yes, it can ultimately become a public matter within the church. We must remember that the purpose isn’t to shame or embarrass anyone but to restore them. Galatians 6:1 says, “Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness.” But with that said, if the individual remains unrepentant, then broader accountability within the church becomes necessary.

Carl: I agree with the goal of restoration. But my concern is that in our interconnected world, where news travels fast, especially on social media, how do we prevent harm and unnecessary exposure? The damage done to someone’s reputation could be irreversible, even if they later repent.

Jonah: That’s where wisdom comes in. Proverbs 12:18 mentions, “There is one whose rash words are like sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.” We should be wise in our approach, ensuring that matters are handled discreetly. But, we can’t sacrifice the scriptural process out of fear of public perception.

Carl: And that’s a challenge. There’s also the issue of confidentiality. When someone confides in a church leader about a personal struggle, there’s an expectation of trust. Breaching that, even with good intentions, can lead to more harm than good.

Jonah: That’s true, and confidentiality is sacred. James 5:16 says, “Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed.” The emphasis is on mutual confession and healing. There’s an inherent trust in that process. We mustn’t betray it. But again, if someone’s actions pose a threat or if they remain unrepentant, the wider body must be involved.

Jonah: Based on our earlier discussions, there’s an inevitable tension between reconciliation and excommunication in Matthew 18. The chapter begins with the importance of reconciling with our brother but ends with the prospect of treating the unrepentant as “a Gentile and a tax collector.” How do you see this?

Carl: I think the essence of Christ’s teaching in Matthew 18 is a journey toward reconciliation. The steps outlined, from private confrontation to telling the church, are all aimed at winning the brother over. The treatment as a “Gentile and a tax collector” isn’t necessarily excommunication in the way many view it today.

Jonah: Yet, historically, the church has practiced excommunication as a form of discipline. Paul, in 1 Corinthians 5:5, even mentions delivering someone to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, hoping for the person’s ultimate salvation. So, there’s biblical precedent for the need for separation when a person remains unrepentant.

Carl: There is, Jonah, but remember how Jesus treated the Gentiles and tax collectors. He dined with them, ministered to them, and showed them love. So, if we’re to treat someone as a “tax collector,” perhaps it’s an invitation to reach out with even more compassion and understanding, not less.

Jonah: That’s an interesting perspective, but one might argue that by the time the matter is brought before the entire church, all avenues for reconciliation have been exhausted. The act of public acknowledgment serves as a final call for repentance.

Carl: Yes, but let’s not forget the prodigal son in Luke 15. The father never closed the door on his wayward son, even when he was lost in his sins. When the son returned, the father welcomed him with open arms. The essence of the Gospel is about redemption and reconciliation.

Jonah: I agree with the heart of reconciliation, but for the sake of the body of believers, there comes a point where a line has to be drawn. In Revelation 2:20, Jesus rebukes the church in Thyatira for tolerating the woman Jezebel and her misleading teachings. The church has a responsibility to guard against false teachings and influences.

Carl: Absolutely, Jonah. And that’s where discernment comes in. We have to differentiate between someone struggling with sin and seeking help and someone causing division or leading others astray. Romans 16:17 says, “Watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.” There’s wisdom in knowing when to engage in reconciliation and when to step back.

Jonah: On a related note, how do you view the idea of seeking outside mediation, especially when internal attempts at reconciliation have failed? Does it align with the principles laid out in Matthew 18?

Carl: While Matthew 18 doesn’t explicitly mention outside mediation, we do live in a society where professional mediation is available and can be beneficial. Paul did advise in 1 Corinthians 6:1-3 against believers taking each other to secular courts. But he also suggested that disputes should be settled within the church community.

Jonah: Right, but one might argue that the essence of Paul’s teaching is about not airing our disputes before unbelievers. Involving an external mediator could risk undermining the witness of the church, making it appear divided and unable to handle its internal issues.

Carl: I see where you’re coming from, but I think there’s a difference between taking a fellow believer to court and seeking mediation. Mediation is a process of facilitated dialogue, and it can be invaluable, especially if it’s led by someone who understands Christian principles. The goal remains reconciliation.

Jonah: True, but wouldn’t this then dilute the role of the church? Matthew 18 outlines a process that should ideally lead to resolution within the community of believers. If we start outsourcing this responsibility, are we not failing in our mandate?

Carl: I wouldn’t view it as outsourcing. Instead, it’s seeking additional tools to aid in the process. Sometimes an outside perspective can provide clarity, especially when emotions and longstanding relationships cloud judgment. Remember, in Matthew 18:20, Jesus said, “For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.” If the goal of mediation is godly reconciliation, then Christ is present, whether it’s within the church walls or outside.

Jonah: I appreciate that perspective, but my concern remains about the message it sends. The church should be a beacon of unity and reconciliation. If we consistently turn to external avenues, it might seem we lack the spiritual maturity to handle conflicts ourselves.

Carl: But it’s not about replacing the church’s role but complementing it. If both parties are open to mediation and it aligns with biblical principles, then why not use every available resource? Proverbs 11:14 says, “Where there is no guidance, a people falls, but in an abundance of counsellors there is safety.” Sometimes, that counsellor could be an external mediator.

Jonah: It’s a compelling argument. I suppose my reservation stems from ensuring that any external mediator understands and respects our biblical principles and doesn’t steer the process in a secular direction.

Carl: And that’s a valid concern. The onus is on us to ensure that the mediator aligns with our values. And always, the end goal is healing and reconciliation, grounded in Christ.

Jonah: We live in complex times, Carl, and while I hold my reservations, I recognise the potential value in your perspective. May we always be guided by the Holy Spirit in such decisions, ensuring Christ remains at the centre.

Carl: I’ve seen instances where people use the process outlined in Matthew 18 not so much out of genuine concern or a desire for reconciliation, but rather as a way to shift the blame or put the onus on the other person. In essence, they weaponise the scripture. What are your thoughts on this?

Jonah: That’s a grave concern. The intention of Matthew 18 is not for blame-shifting but for restoring a broken relationship. If someone is misusing it to evade responsibility or to control the narrative, it’s contrary to the very spirit of the passage.

Carl: Precisely. I’ve seen situations where an individual, instead of examining their own behavior, insists that someone offended should approach them based on Matthew 18. It’s almost as if they’re hiding behind the scripture, waiting for the other person to make the first move, even when they know they’re in the wrong.

Jonah: It’s a distortion of the text. While Matthew 18:15 does mention that “if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault,” this doesn’t absolve individuals from self-reflection or confession. James 5:16 urges us to “confess your sins to one another,” suggesting an active role in admitting our wrongs.

Carl: It becomes especially problematic when it’s used to silence victims or the marginalized. By insisting they adhere to the “Matthew 18 model,” it can sometimes prevent them from seeking the support or intervention they need.

Jonah: That’s a poignant point, Carl. The Bible calls us to protect the vulnerable and give voice to the voiceless. If Matthew 18 is misused in a way that hinders justice or supports oppression, it’s a gross misrepresentation. Micah 6:8 reminds us “to act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with our God.“

Carl: We must also consider the importance of self-awareness and humility. If we’re constantly waiting for someone else to point out our faults or transgressions, we’re missing the mark. The onus is on each of us to regularly examine our hearts and actions, as 2 Corinthians 13:5 suggests: “Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves.“

Jonah: Well said, Carl. We should always strive for a posture of humility, seeking reconciliation proactively, not just when confronted. Proverbs 28:13 states, “Whoever conceals his transgressions will not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy.“

Carl: The scripture is meant to be a tool for healing, unity, and restoration. We must guard against any misuse that shifts it into a tool of control or manipulation.

Jonah: Absolutely. Our responsibility is to ensure that God’s Word is applied with wisdom, compassion, and integrity. Misusing it not only harms individuals but also tarnishes the testimony of the church.

Carl: And as believers, we must be vigilant, holding ourselves and each other accountable, ensuring that the spirit and letter of the Word align in our practices.

Jonah: Amen, Carl. We’re called to be stewards of the Word, and that’s a responsibility we must never take lightly.