Category: My Discoveries

Jonah: I’ve always believed that the Bible discourages the consumption of alcohol. Take Proverbs 20:1 for instance, “Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.” This clearly implies that alcohol can lead one astray.

Carl: However, it’s essential to look at the Bible holistically. While Proverbs 20:1 warns about the deceptive nature of alcohol, we shouldn’t forget the wedding at Cana where Jesus himself turned water into wine in John 2:1-11. If wine was inherently evil, why would Jesus provide it?

Jonah: The miracle at Cana isn’t necessarily an endorsement of drinking alcohol. It could be symbolic, representing transformation and newness in Jesus’ ministry. Moreover, Ephesians 5:18 says, “Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.” Doesn’t that suggest we should abstain from wine to maintain our spiritual integrity?

Carl: That’s a valid point. But remember, Ephesians 5:18 specifically warns against getting drunk on wine, not drinking wine in itself. The Bible differentiates between consuming alcohol and abusing it. Consider 1 Timothy 5:23 where Paul advises Timothy: “Use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.” It indicates that wine, in moderation, can have beneficial uses.

Jonah: While that might be the case, we shouldn’t overlook verses that show the destructive nature of alcohol. Like Habakkuk 2:15, which says, “Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbors, pouring it from the wineskin till they are drunk, so that he can gaze on their naked bodies!” Alcohol can lead to immoral behavior and other sins. Isn’t it safer to avoid it altogether?

Carl: I agree that alcohol, when misused, can lead to sin and destructive behavior. But, we must recognize our freedom and responsibility in Christ. Jesus often dined with tax collectors and sinners where wine was likely present (Matthew 9:10-13). It’s about the heart’s intention. If one’s heart is set on righteousness, a moderate glass of wine shouldn’t condemn them.

Jonah: But wouldn’t it be better for Christians to set an example by abstaining, showing the world that we don’t need worldly pleasures to be joyful?

Carl: But joy and freedom in Christ also means having the wisdom to enjoy the pleasures of life He created, in moderation, without being enslaved to them. Remember Psalms 104:14-15, “He makes grass grow for the cattle, and plants for people to cultivate—bringing forth food from the earth: wine that gladdens human hearts, oil to make their faces shine, and bread that sustains their hearts.”

Jonah: While we’ve discussed the biblical context of drinking, we should also consider the historical setting. In biblical times, alcoholic beverages weren’t as potent as today’s drinks. They often mixed wine with water to dilute its strength, so even if they consumed it, it was much weaker than what we encounter today.

Carl That’s an interesting perspective, Jonah. Yes, it’s true that in ancient times, they often diluted wine. But it’s also worth noting that wine was a common beverage for many, sometimes even safer than water due to potential contamination of local water sources. Jesus and His disciples likely drank this diluted wine. If it was inherently wrong, wouldn’t Jesus, who was without sin, have abstained?

Jonah: While Jesus might have consumed wine, we need to remember the primary reason for its consumption. As you mentioned, due to sanitation issues, fermented drinks were sometimes safer. Today, with the advent of purified water and various beverages, the need to drink alcohol for health reasons has diminished.

Carl: True, but when we speak of historical context, let’s also remember the significance of wine in various ceremonies and celebrations. The Last Supper, which we commemorate during communion, involved wine. It was integral to Jewish culture and many of their celebrations. Shouldn’t this historical acceptance, even by Christ, inform our view?

Jonah: But you must admit, Carl, that the socio-cultural environment was different back then. The lack of strong alcoholic beverages and recreational drugs means the potential for misuse and abuse wasn’t as prevalent as in our modern era. Given the present dangers and stronger alcohol content, shouldn’t we adapt our stance to abstain for our well-being and that of our community?

Carl: I can see your point about the differences in societal contexts. However, I believe the principle remains: moderation and the heart’s intention. Even if we adapt our stance due to modern concerns, it doesn’t negate that the Bible doesn’t universally prohibit alcohol consumption but warns against excess and drunkenness.

Jonah: I agree that the Bible emphasises moderation. But as Christians, given the historical and current contexts combined, shouldn’t we be on the side of caution? Today’s world is filled with temptations, and avoiding alcohol might be a way to steer clear from potential pitfalls. Even if we consider historical context and biblical interpretation, we cannot ignore the potential moral implications of consuming alcohol. Alcohol often leads to impaired judgment. And as we know, impaired judgment can lead to sinful actions. The Bible warns against anything that makes us lose self-control, and alcohol can certainly do that.

Carl: I agree that alcohol can impair judgment, but we should differentiate between moderate consumption and excessive drinking. The key is self-control and moderation. Galatians 5:22-23 talks about the fruit of the Spirit, which includes self-control. If a Christian can drink moderately without compromising their moral compass, shouldn’t they be allowed that freedom?

Jonah: While that may be true for some, for others, even a small amount can be a slippery slope. 1 Peter 5:8 says, “Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.” Isn’t it our responsibility to remain vigilant at all times? Alcohol, even in small amounts, can dull that vigilance.

Carl: That’s a valid concern. But remember, Peter’s call for sobriety is not just about alcohol; it’s about being spiritually vigilant. If we focus only on physical sobriety, we might neglect other areas where we aren’t “sober-minded,” like excessive indulgence in other worldly pleasures or distractions.

Jonah: But there’s no denying that alcohol has led many down the path of immorality. Be it drunken brawls, reckless behaviour, or inappropriate relationships, alcohol often plays a role. As followers of Christ, our conduct matters. In 1 Thessalonians 5:22, we’re advised to “abstain from all appearance of evil.” Even if someone drinks responsibly, won’t they risk appearing immoral in the eyes of others?

Carl: It’s essential to be conscious of how our actions might be perceived. But it’s also vital to not bind all believers to the convictions of a few. Each Christian should be led by their conscience and the Holy Spirit. Romans 14:3 says, “The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.” Replace eating with drinking, and the principle remains the same.

Jonah: Yet, Carl, the dangers of alcohol extend beyond mere personal conduct. It can damage families, relationships, and entire communities. Isn’t it wiser, then, for us to advocate for complete abstention to prevent such pitfalls?

Carl: The destructive potential of alcohol misuse is undeniable. But the solution isn’t necessarily universal abstention but rather education, support, and spiritual guidance. It’s about fostering a community where believers exercise freedom responsibly and are accountable to one another.

Jonah: Our role as Christians isn’t just about our personal conduct but also how we present ourselves to the world. Our actions and choices directly influence our ability to witness to non-believers. By consuming alcohol, aren’t we risking presenting a compromised image of Christianity?

Carl: But witnessing is about more than just appearances; it’s about authenticity and relationship. If we’re genuine in our faith and interactions, a moderate consumption of alcohol shouldn’t overshadow the message of Christ’s love and salvation.

Jonah: But 1 Corinthians 8:9 warns us, “Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak.” Even if one can handle alcohol responsibly, what if their drinking causes another person, especially a new believer or non-believer, to stumble?

Carl: You’re right to highlight that verse. We should be sensitive to those around us. But this sensitivity should apply in all areas of our lives, not just alcohol. It’s about discerning when to exercise our freedom and when to refrain for the sake of others.

Jonah: But alcohol has a certain prominence in our society. It’s often associated with parties, excesses, and, at times, debauchery. If we want to set ourselves apart and truly be a light in the world, doesn’t it make sense to abstain from things so closely tied to worldly indulgences?

Carl: I see where you’re coming from. But it’s also worth noting that Jesus was often criticised for dining with tax collectors and sinners (Matthew 9:10-13). He didn’t shy away from situations where alcohol was present. Instead, He used those moments to reach out and connect. Can’t we, too, be a witness by showing that one can be part of society, enjoy its customs in moderation, and yet remain true to Christian values?

Jonah: Still, Carl, our primary call is to lead others to Christ. If there’s even a chance that our drinking might hinder that, shouldn’t we err on the side of caution?

Carl: It’s a balance, Jonah. We need to weigh our personal convictions with the broader mission. Yes, in some situations, it might be wiser to abstain for the sake of witnessing effectively. But in others, showing responsible, moderate behaviour could break down barriers and challenge preconceptions about Christianity.

Jonah: Carl, there’s another perspective we haven’t delved into. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 says, “Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honour God with your bodies.” Given that our body is the dwelling place of the Holy Spirit, shouldn’t we refrain from substances like alcohol that can potentially harm it?

Carl: Jonah, I respect and deeply resonate with that verse. But consider this: eating unhealthy foods, lack of exercise, or even stress can harm our bodies. Where do we draw the line? If we interpret that verse strictly, many daily habits could be seen as dishonoring the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Jonah: It’s true we might have other habits that aren’t necessarily healthy, but alcohol can have immediate detrimental effects on the mind and body, unlike some other habits. And as we’ve previously discussed, even a small amount can impair judgment and hinder our connection with the Holy Spirit.

Carl: Yet, didn’t God create wine for enjoyment? Psalm 104:14-15 says, “He makes grass grow for the cattle, and plants for people to cultivate—bringing forth food from the earth: wine that gladdens human hearts, oil to make their faces shine, and bread that sustains their hearts.” It suggests that wine, when consumed responsibly, can be part of God’s blessing.

Jonah: While wine might be a blessing, we should consider its impact on our spiritual health. The Apostle Paul, in 1 Corinthians 9:27, says, “But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.” To truly keep our bodies as temples, rigorous discipline and perhaps even sacrifices, like abstaining from alcohol, are necessary.

Carl: That’s a commendable perspective, Jonah. But discipline doesn’t always mean abstention. It can also mean moderation and control. Remember, it’s the heart’s intention that matters. If one drinks with gratitude, moderation, and without compromising their spiritual and physical health, I believe they are still honouring their body as a temple.

Jonah: But considering how easy it is to overindulge and the potential harm it can cause, wouldn’t it be a greater act of worship and reverence to abstain?

Carl: For some, abstention might be the right choice. But for others, the act of responsible enjoyment could be an expression of gratitude for God’s blessings. As with many things, it boils down to personal conviction and how one feels led by the Holy Spirit.

Jonah: It’s a profound responsibility, to care for the temple that God entrusted to us. We must approach it with deep reverence and thought.

Carl: I couldn’t agree more. Each decision we make, including about alcohol, should reflect our commitment to honouring God with our bodies.

Our faith calls us to continuously seek wisdom and understanding. It’s vital for us, as Christians, to engage in these dialogues, always aiming to reflect God’s love and wisdom in our lives and the lives of those around us.

Jonah: It’s clear that the Bible states in Leviticus 11:7-8, “And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.” This directive is straightforward. The Lord has commanded us not to eat pork.

Carl: I understand where you’re coming from, and I respect the teachings of Leviticus. However, we must also consider the New Testament. In Acts 10:9-15, Peter had a vision in which he saw various animals and was told, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” Peter was hesitant because some of the animals were considered unclean, but the voice told him, “What God has made clean, do not call common.” This passage suggests a shift in understanding, indicating that under the New Covenant, food restrictions were no longer necessary.

Jonah: But the Old Testament is the word of God, just as much as the New Testament is. We cannot simply overlook it. When God forbids something, it’s for a reason. The prohibition of pork was not just a random rule.

Carl: I’m not suggesting we disregard the Old Testament. But the context matters. Jesus himself mentioned in Mark 7:18-19, “Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” Therefore, it’s not what we eat that makes us unclean, but what comes from our hearts.

Jonah: Still, Carl, one might argue that out of respect for God’s commandments, we should abstain. We are told repeatedly in the Bible to obey His laws.

Carl: True, obedience is crucial. However, the essence of Christianity, especially in light of Jesus’ teachings, is the spirit of the law over the letter of the law. In Romans 14:14, Paul says, “I am persuaded by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteems anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.” So, if you believe eating pork is wrong for you, then don’t. But we shouldn’t judge others who feel differently.

Jonah: Moving on, Carl, even if we consider the historical context, God’s commandments have a timeless quality. The prohibition against eating pork, among other things, was rooted in deep wisdom. Perhaps the conditions back then made it essential for health reasons, given the diseases pigs carried.

Carl: I appreciate your point, Jonah. The historical context is crucial to consider. Many of the Old Testament laws were given during a time when Israelites were wandering in the desert or living in conditions where they might not have had access to proper methods of cooking or preserving meat. Pigs, in particular, might have been prone to parasites and other health risks. But with advancements in cooking, farming, and health standards, those concerns are not as valid today.

Jonah: Even so, doesn’t it stand to reason that if God gave a specific commandment during a particular period, it had relevance beyond just that era? Perhaps there’s a deeper spiritual reasoning we’re not considering.

Carl: There could be, but remember, many religious and cultural traditions evolve based on the understanding of the times. For instance, dietary restrictions might’ve been both for health reasons and to set the Israelites apart from neighbouring tribes and their practices. The context matters. If we were to follow every directive from the Old Testament to the letter today, our lives would look very different.

Jonah: That’s my point, Carl. Maybe they should. Maybe by moving away from those laws, we are losing some essence of our relationship with God.

Carl: While maintaining a relationship with God is paramount, we also have to understand that our faith is dynamic. If Christianity didn’t adapt to varying contexts, it wouldn’t have spread across cultures and continents as it has. Remember, Jesus’ main message was love, understanding, and redemption. It’s the spirit of the teachings we should hold onto, not just the literal interpretations.

Jonah: Still, it seems like a slippery slope. If we start disregarding certain commandments based on historical context, where do we draw the line? When we talk about our faith, it’s essential to maintain its universality. Christianity is not supposed to be relative to cultural shifts or societal norms. The teachings are universal. When God said something was unclean or forbidden, shouldn’t that stand regardless of culture or period?

Carl: I appreciate the idea of the universality of Christian teachings. But let’s distinguish between the core essence of Christianity and its practices. The core, as I see it, revolves around the teachings of Jesus – love, compassion, redemption, and grace. These are indeed universal. But practices, like dietary restrictions, might vary based on culture or context. In 1 Corinthians 9:20-22, Paul speaks of becoming “all things to all people” in order to save some. This is about adapting without compromising the core message.

Jonah: But isn’t that dangerous? The moment we say some teachings can adapt while others remain rigid, aren’t we opening the door for future generations to modify Christianity based on their whims?

Carl: It’s a valid concern. However, the ability to adapt is also why Christianity has been so resilient and widespread. The Apostles went to various nations, spreading the Word, and they often had to adapt their teachings to the local context without changing the core message of Christ’s salvation. Take, for instance, the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15, where it was decided that Gentile converts did not need to observe all Jewish laws. If the early church hadn’t made such decisions, the spread of Christianity might have been hindered.

Jonah: Still, the idea of Universalism suggests that the teachings apply everywhere, in all situations. If we believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God, then we should be wary of changing or adapting any part of it.

Carl: And I agree that the Bible’s core messages are universal and timeless. However, Universalism in the context of Christianity can also mean that the message of Christ’s love and redemption is for everyone, irrespective of their background, culture, or practices. And for that message to truly be universal, sometimes the methods or practices might need to adapt to better suit different audiences.

Jonah: I fear that we might end up diluting our faith if we keep bending to fit every culture or trend. The Word of God should stand firm.

Carl: And the Word will always stand firm, Jonah. It’s the way we share and live it that might differ. Remember, Christianity is about the heart and spirit, more than rituals or rules. As long as we’re grounded in Christ’s love, we’re on the right path.

Our faith calls us to continuously seek wisdom and understanding. It’s vital for us, as Christians, to engage in these dialogues, always aiming to reflect God’s love and wisdom in our lives and the lives of those around us.

Jonah: I’m genuinely concerned about Christians participating in Halloween. The Bible says in Ephesians 5:11, “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.” Halloween’s origins in pagan and druid traditions, as well as its contemporary associations with witchcraft and the occult, make it a celebration of darkness.

Carl: I appreciate your viewpoint, but we should remember that many Christian holidays have origins in pagan traditions, like Christmas and Easter, and yet we’ve managed to repurpose them to celebrate our faith. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 reminds us that “there is no God but one… for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live.” Halloween can be an opportunity for Christians to shine a light in the darkness, rather than hide from it.

Jonah: But it’s not just about the origins. It’s about what it represents today. Ghosts, witches, and even demonic symbols are prevalent. Philippians 4:8 says, “Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.” Celebrating Halloween encourages thoughts on the opposite.

Carl: I understand that concern. However, for many people, especially children, Halloween is about imagination, creativity, and community. It’s about dressing up, sharing candy, and enjoying the company of neighbours. If we approach Halloween with a sense of fun and community, rather than focusing on the darker aspects, we can turn it into a positive experience. Moreover, Romans 14:14 states, “I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself.” It’s all about our approach and intent.

Jonah: There’s no denying the evident evil in the world. And on Halloween, people often glamorise that evil. 1 Thessalonians 5:22 instructs us to “Avoid every kind of evil.” Shouldn’t we be setting ourselves apart, living as an example to others?

Carl: But Jesus also ate with tax collectors and sinners, showing that it’s possible to engage with the world without being corrupted by it. In John 17:15-16, Jesus prayed, “My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.” By participating in Halloween in a wholesome way, we can be in the world, but not of it, providing a positive influence and perspective.

Jonah: It’s essential to remain vigilant. I believe there are better ways for Christians to engage with their communities without compromising their values.

Carl: As Romans 14:5 says, “One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.” It’s crucial for each Christian to follow their conscience and convictions when it comes to matters like these.

Jonah: You mentioned Christmas and Easter earlier, Carl. It’s true that they have origins in pagan traditions, but Christians have overtaken those holidays and shifted the focus to Christ’s birth and resurrection. However, Halloween remains a day where death, fear, and the supernatural are glamorised. 2 Corinthians 6:17 says, “Come out from them and be separate,” urging us to distinguish ourselves from worldly practices.

Carl: While I see your point, Jonah, I believe the distinction is in how we approach and handle these situations. Paul, in Acts 17, went to Athens, a city full of idols, and used one of their altars “To an Unknown God” as a bridge to share the gospel. In a similar vein, Christians can use Halloween as a bridge to connect with others. A church might host a harvest festival or a “Trunk or Treat” event to provide a safe space for children while sharing God’s love.

Jonah: But are we diluting our message? By trying to Christianize everything, we might be watering down the potency of the Gospel. In Revelation 3:16, the Lord speaks about the lukewarm church, saying, “So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.” Could participating in Halloween be a symptom of lukewarm Christianity?

Carl: I believe it’s all about the heart and motivation, Jonah. If a Christian celebrates Halloween with the intent of building relationships, showing love, and potentially sharing the gospel, then they’re being mission-focused, not lukewarm. 1 Corinthians 9:22 says, “I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.” It doesn’t mean compromising our beliefs but adapting our methods to reach others.

Jonah: I fear we might be sending mixed signals to young believers or those weak in their faith. They might see Christians celebrating Halloween and think that indulging in occult practices or dabbling in the supernatural is okay. The Bible warns in 1 Corinthians 8:9, “Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak.”

Carl: A valid concern, Jonah. But that’s where discipleship and guidance come in. Mature Christians and church leaders should educate the younger generation about the line between innocent fun and activities that might be spiritually harmful. And just as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 10:31, “So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God,” we can guide them to approach everything, including Halloween, with the intention of glorifying God. For many people, Halloween is deeply rooted in childhood nostalgia. It’s about memories of carving pumpkins, watching fun spooky movies with family, or going trick-or-treating with friends. At its core, for many, it’s a harmless tradition that revolves around community and childhood joys, much like a family gathering around the Thanksgiving table. We don’t necessarily need to ascribe deep spiritual meaning to every cultural tradition.

Jonah: But Carl, nostalgia shouldn’t be the driving force for our actions, especially when it could potentially conflict with our faith. In Luke 9:62, Jesus said, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.” This suggests we need to be forward-focused in our faith, not clinging to past traditions for sentimentality’s sake.

Carl: I’m not advocating for holding onto past traditions that directly contradict our faith. What I’m saying is that we can distinguish between harmful practices and simple, innocent nostalgia. Proverbs 22:6 mentions, “Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.” If children are taught to differentiate between the harmless joys of Halloween and the more concerning elements, then they can carry those lessons into adulthood and remember the tradition fondly without compromising their faith.

Jonah: It’s just that the line between nostalgia and being influenced by secular practices can be thin. 1 Peter 5:8 warns us to “Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.” Even if something seems innocent, there could be unseen influences.

Carl: That’s a fair point, Jonah. But I believe that we should give credit to the strength of our faith and teachings. Just as Paul in Athens, which I mentioned earlier, recognised the culture and found a way to introduce Christ, we too can acknowledge the cultural significance of Halloween without being consumed by its potentially negative aspects. It’s about balance and understanding. And if we approach Halloween, or any other cultural celebration, with knowledge, love, and the right intent, we can navigate through the potential pitfalls.

Jonah: I guess what I’m hoping for is clarity for believers, especially the younger ones. We should ensure that in our pursuit of nostalgia and cultural engagement, we aren’t confusing or leading anyone astray.

Carl: And I couldn’t agree more, Jonah. Communication, guidance, and understanding are key. It’s up to us, the older generation, to provide that clarity and teach them how to discern the harmless from the harmful. And, as always, everything we do should be done in love and reflection of Christ’s teachings.

Our faith calls us to continuously seek wisdom and understanding. It’s vital for us, as Christians, to engage in these dialogues, always aiming to reflect God’s love and wisdom in our lives and the lives of those around us.